Everything went white and then I found
myself on the ship and I was being
interrogated by a group of aliens,
extraterrestrials,
um that I call the Weavers. I I don't
know who they are. That's had to give
them a name.
Um and they were interrogating me tele
Welcome to Beyond the Map, where we
explore strange stories for curious
minds. I'm your host, Buddy T, and today
we're diving into an extraordinarily
strange story. Our guest is Kathleen
Watts, known as Thought Continuuma. She
has shared her story of alien abduction,
an experience that challenges what we
think we know about reality. This isn't
just a story about strange lights in the
sky. It's about how one person's life
and their perception of reality was
forever changed. And today she'll tell
you the story in her own words.
Hey Kathleen, welcome to Beyond the Map
and thank you for being here. I know it
takes a ton of courage to share a
personal story like you'll share with us
today and I'm so grateful that you're
willing to be here and share this with
us and our listeners. Thank you.
You're welcome. I'm happy to be here. It
was lovely to meet you at
phenomenon. It was fantastic to meet you
there and uh since that time I have had
the opportunity to look into the books
that you've written and your story.
Okay.
And uh you've got a tremendously
interesting story uh to tell. And so I I
love to just ask you briefly about your
background. You were born born in
England and uh moved over here to the
states.
Yes.
About what? How old were you when you
came uh came to the states?
Well, my dad was in the service, so we
we moved a lot. So, I was born in
England and was there for a couple
years, moved to
uh Colorado, then back to England, then
to Michigan, and I've been in Utah a lot
long lot. So now you're living in the
foothills of the beautiful Wasach
Mountains, not not too far from uh the
uh Uenta Basin where where we were
fortunate enough to meet at God.
Well, uh let's just start at the
beginning uh of your story about how old
were you when this occurred?
So
19, 18, 19 years old. I'd already
graduated high school and was working.
So, the um I'll give you like a
condensed version and then we can go
back and look at it. Um ran into we'd
gone to see One Flew Over the Cuckoo's
Nest. Have you seen that show?
That was a big show in 1976.
Um we left the show and we were hopping
onto the freeway. We were coming around
the on-ramp and just as we were entering
into I-15, our car quit working. All the
lights were out. All the freeway lights
were out and everything was frozen. Even
Even the guy that was driving the car
was frozen. And and I looked around to
my right and there was a UFO parked or
doctor, whatever it is they do when
they're idle. Uh in that area. Um, and
then it it rose up. We were we were
about to go on to Riverdale Road. So,
there was a sign that said truck
clearance 18 ft. So, the UFO rose up and
hung level with that. And then,
and then I found myself on the ship
and I was being interrogated by a group
of aliens.
extraterrestrials
um that I call the weavers. I I don't
know who they are. That's had to give
them a name.
Um, and they were interrogating me
telepathically.
And about halfway through the
interrogation,
a different extraaterrestrial
shows up um, and abducts me from the
first set. And then he he just showed me
um, eclipses. I saw lunar eclipses and
solar eclipses and galaxies and
universes eclipse and then I was back in
my car.
Wow, what an incredible story. That's
You mentioned that the guy driving the
car was frozen. Was everything else
around you in the environment, did it
appear frozen, too, like the other cars
on the roadway?
Yeah, there was. There was no other cars
on the roadway. It was late at night.
We'd gone to see a late premiere and it
was Sunday in Utah,
so the roads were pretty empty. Um
Yeah. And then
when we came back too, we were on we'd
gone under the overpass and we're
sitting on the other side.
Yeah.
And then everything just sort of went
white and you find yourself inside of
the crowd.
That's amazing.
Yeah. So, what we have, so if you look
at it, you have the perpetrators, the
extraterrestrials,
um the victim. I not a label I like, but
for sake of storytelling, I think we'll
go with that.
Um, and you have the crime. So, what's
missing is is the motive. What started
the whole thing into motion.
And when in my book, I started it at the
theater cuz I think that's where it all
started. We had gone to see One Flew
Over the Cuckoo's Nest and I thought it
was going to be a comedy. Um, and then
at the end, the
uh main character, Jack Nicholson, he
was kind of a rebel, kind of a rowdy
guy. And instead of going to jail, they
sent him to mental institution and then
he starts getting in trouble with all
the other people there. He taught him
how to play poker, broke him out, took
him fishing and just, you know, great
all-around guy.
And then um at the end they loized him
and another little guy in there that
stuttered all the time killed himself.
So, it was a tragic comedy and I wasn't
expecting that and it really
affected me profoundly. I was having a
really hard time with that. Um, we
walked out of the theater and
I was just thinking about it. I was
thinking about
how I didn't want to be on the planet
anymore anymore
and the stories and the fact that I
identified with him and
um considered myself a bit of a a rebel.
Um could see visions of my own labbotomy
goodness
floating out there. So, I just I was
thinking I wanted off the planet, out of
the stories.
My black and white world had turned
gray. Um, and I found myself
kind of drifting away. I don't know if I
was having an out-of- body experience or
what, but I became aware of this
contextual field that went around the
planet. It It's the stories that we tell
ourselves.
Yeah.
Um and I could see that from wherever I
was. I was I could see this. Um
and then
outside of that, I could see another
field that was more of a conceptual
field.
So the contextual field is
Um,
it's it's a song of every word ever
written, every thought, every thought.
Um,
it I would use the term matrix
even though if you were to ask me
specifically what a matrix was,
I would be
It sounds like you're referring to
something that some people might call
like the Aeshic record or
that was very that's the closest thing
I've come to.
Um, so it was a matrix but it wasn't
made out of ones and zeros. It was made
out of the alphabet. Wow, that's
interesting.
So, yeah, and there's an infinite number
of stories that you can create from a
thinet alphabet.
Yeah. Um and then so that's a the
contextual field. I believe it's
referred to as um collective mind or
collective consciousness.
Um and then I became aware of another
field outside of that one that was a
conceptual field. So it was a collective
imagination
um or a so if the contextual field or or
um collective consciousness is a
metamorphic field, the imagination would
be a metaphoric field.
So, and it's my nickname for is the land
of myth and not
that's where our myth that's where our
myths are. Um,
and then I was just back in the car and
we were going to drive home. Um,
headed down the Riverdale Road to the
freeway. It was about a half a mile was
all. Um, we came around the corner and
our car quit working. You have to
remember this was 1975.
So, the Betty and Barney Hill story
wasn't even out yet.
There was nothing.
Nowadays, if that happened, you would
immediately start scanning the skies
looking for something. I have so many
questions and I want to get I want to
get back to the conceptual field and I
want to get back to this other entity
that that kind of intervened. But uh so
all the way at the beginning of this,
you think that perhaps your emotional
state, the way that you were feeling got
you into some sort of um condition maybe
where it it promoted this or allowed
this or it made you the right candidate
at the right time.
Yes. And I also had the impression that
I was standing out, that I was obvious,
that I had that I was looking at
something I wasn't supposed to see.
And doing that, I had tripped a wire,
hit a trip wire or something, and that
started everything into motion.
Had you ever had any other experience or
any other uh sighting or any kind of
contact before this event?
So, welcome. welcome to your first event
and it just goes from zero to a thousand
instantly.
Uh so let's talk just for briefly. You
know, you mentioned the missing motive
because you've got suspects, you've got
victims, you've got, you know, what
happened, but why? And that's the most
perhaps the most interesting part of the
story. And the only thing I can think of
is that the conversation or the
communication that you had with this
initial group might uh of the motive and
I'm I'm sure you've gone over it a
hundred times, but can you share with us
a little bit about what that
communication was like
with the initial group, the weavers as
you call them?
Oh, yes. Yes. Okay. So, we're on the
freeway, car quits working, everything
turns white. Um,
and you just can't see anything else.
It's kind of like
Yeah, I'm going to put up
concept of the love that
um so then I found myself on the ship.
Um I was sitting up straight
uh in a chair and there were
semi-ircular
um
metal things that held my forearms in
place and from the knee down and they
had a blue light that went over them. So
they were kind of like restraints.
Um but they were also they were also
keeping kilter of my anatomy so that so
that I didn't go into shock. So they
were monitoring my breath and my
heartbeat. Um and I knew that if I went
into shock my telepathic sense would
shut down.
Yeah. That would end the communications.
And so that's that's why they were doing
it. Yeah. And it was mental telepathy.
Um There was
the room was interesting because it
it looked like it was molded instead of
built like almost like there was a
camera down the middle and one side was
a replica of the other side. Everything
was so
um homogeneous
that it it just had a weird effect to
it. Um, there was a horseshoe shaped
table in front of me and the
extraterrestrials were sitting around
that. Um, I knew they were going to
start interviewing me. Um, and I looked
over to the one on the left,
waiting for a question,
and I heard him start to ask his first
question. And before I could even
register it, the rest of them had asked
a question, and they were back to that
one, and they were just taking the
answers. Um,
so it was moving so fast that I couldn't
keep track of it. And there was There
was something else there too. It was
um it was like the questions were
layered like um like a perpetual cannon.
So have you ever heard that row row row
your boat row? So
so
they weren't saying the same question,
but they were overlaying what they were
doing. Um and I could see the inside of
my head. I couldn't see like all the
different loes of my brain, but I could
see all the neurons in the synapsises
firing off while they were doing what
they were doing.
You mentioned you feel like they were
getting the answers. Were they
extracting the answers without you
having the initiative to to give the
answer?
There was Yes.
That's amazing.
Yes. I I don't have a
like I couldn't even hear the questions.
Um I couldn't focus on them and they
were doing that on purpose. I could hear
these tumblers going off inside of my
head like a
like a combination lock like two to the
left, three to the right, but then it
would go up and down and back and forth.
So, kind of a multi-dimensional
thing that they were doing inside my
head. Um,
the the other interesting thing was that
I realized that telepathy is a two-way
street. You can't just open up a one-way
communication with that. Um, and so they
were just as vulnerable as I was. I I
was they were open to me, but I didn't
know how it worked.
Two-way flow of information. If they
were extracting from you, were you able
to extract from them?
I could have, but I wasn't.
They were practiced. They had a single
intent experience. So I think that's
part of why they did it the way they did
it so that they can confuse and confound
me into before I realized that that was
something.
So do you think the purpose for that was
to sort of obfuscate what their actual
intent was to to glean from you? They
were trying to figure out how I saw that
field, how I was able to to
view that contextual field and the
conceptual field that was they were kind
of like the protectors up there
and they had to come pick me up to see
how it was possible that I could see
that.
So, were you seeing that field or
perceiving it before the abduction
incident or just
when we were leaving in the theaters
when I first saw it.
And and to you in your in your mind,
what did that look like? Were you seeing
it from a macro perspective, like an
astral looking down on the planet or
I was seeing that? Yes. Yes. Exactly.
So, I could sit here in my front yard
and look up at the sky and I would not
be able to see that contextual field or
the conceptual field, but from the
outside in, it was visible to me. And
and so it appears that they had great
interest in how you were able to see
that or how you were able to to from
that perspective.
Yeah.
Which I'm I'm sure you don't you don't
actually know either. I would assume
that it might have been astral
projection. It might
um I think Yeah. I think I've always
been a little loosely woven together.
Yeah.
I'm much more right brain than I am
leftrain. and and contemplation. I think
I was born contemplating the world. So,
I like to look at things a little
deeper. My questions are deeper.
Um, yeah. So, I think I've just kind of
always been that way.
I apologize for this very surface
question, but I am extremely interested
in the the interior of the ship as you
described it. In fact, in listening to
others who have had descriptions of, you
know, actually experiencing the inside
of an extraterrestrial or
interdimensional craft, that your
description is very similar to ones I've
heard. And in fact, some people have
described it as it was seamless and
almost like it was 3D printed perhaps.
Um, you know, uh, yeah, and I find it
interesting that you found it that way,
too. Uh, another uh, question along
those lines is when you were in the
ship, were you able to see outside of it
at all or just confined to the interior
view?
No.
Yeah. There weren't any windows or there
wasn't even
maybe it was the room that I was in on
the ship, but there was no navigation.
There was nothing else in the room but
the table and the chair that I
So no visible signs of how they were to
pilot this craft or
propulsion or no.
Were there any physical sensations that
you could relate to like you know static
electricity or any kind of discomfort
other than you know just the fact that
you're thrust into this situation and uh
do do you remember was it cold or hot?
I don't remember that. I remember that
it was aesthetically clean, like not a
speck of dust anywhere. I was almost
expecting my nose to smell a aringent.
Everything was just so clean.
That's very interesting. Yeah.
Yeah. It was oval. The room was oval.
There was up lighting along the walls,
but it seemed like there was a space
between the lighting and the wall
itself. It was
hard to kind of describe.
You know, for our listeners who have not
really looked at many abduction cases, a
lot of times there are some
commonalities here like missing time.
Um, do you get a sense that of how long
this incident took or you would kind of
know about what time it was when it
started, but what about when it ended?
Um, I didn't look at a clock. Like I
said, this was before anything was out
there. Nowadays, you would look for
missing time. I didn't It didn't occur
to me.
And it sounds like this was pretty
quick. Let Let's get back to uh there
was another being that intervened. Can
can can you describe how that happened?
What that was?
So, we were we were about halfway
through the interrogation. I'm sure it
wasn't over. Um, and then all of a
sudden it stopped like it had been
interrupted.
Um, and I became aware of somebody
standing behind me to my right.
Um, and I became aware of a conversation
I was having with this person behind me
even and I don't recall the
conversation. I just knew I was having a
conversation with this person. Um, and
then this person said, "This one is not
for you." And the extraterrestrials just
let go of me. They completely
disconnected.
Um,
and I didn't know what to do with that.
I had this person behind me and these
people in front of me, and it seemed
like I was up for grabs, basically.
Um, so I didn't know what was going to
happen.
But the uh weavers, they just acquised
and and let go.
Um,
and I don't, it's not as if Asop, that's
who the second extraterrestrial is,
was their boss. I kind of had the
impression that he predated them.
So maybe his stature or the hierarchy of
beings dictated that they to his
direction on this issue.
Yes.
Yes.
Interesting. And you you you deemed this
entity ASOP. Uh is that something you
perceived there from the entity or is
that just something you assigned to him
like the weavers?
It it seemed like I knew him from
somewhere somewhere. He was familiar to
me in some way and he was he was
different. So the the weavers were like
us. They were
um they had arms, legs, skin, and bones.
They were probably seven to eight feet
tall.
Um skin was kind of an alabaster blue.
They were elegant, exquisite.
Um
they they were hard to see. I couldn't
really see them in their entirety. So if
I looked at their face, their bodies
would disappear. If I looked at their
bodies, their faces would disappear. So
it was kind of like they were fleshed
out by my curiosity.
Do you remember those old magic eye
pictures where it looked like random
geometry and if you soften your gaze an
image will come out? It was like that.
Yeah.
Yeah. I never could do those magic.
I I love those things, but in this
context, it sounds like it would be a
little little unsettling for sure.
Yeah. And they wore they wore cloaks.
They had some kind of cloaks on. And I'm
not sure what that was for, but even
those seem to match the background
behind them,
you know.
Um and then
oh I was just going to say with the
exception of the uh the blue tint to the
skin the description of these being
seven eight foot tall and u you know the
uh reading your even more detailed
description than I saw them. They sound
like they could be what people now
describe as tall whites other than the
blue tint to the skin. I don't know if
it was a predominant blue, you know,
mostly blue or you would perceive them
in a as being blue or would you perceive
them as being more, you know, alabaster?
White. More alabaster. Yeah.
So,
almost. Yeah. Some There's this new
paint you can paint your ceilings with
that's violet. So, when you paint it on,
it's purple, so you can tell where
you've been, where you've already
painted, and then it turns white. I'm
kind of familiar with that.
It was It was kind of like that. You
know, there is a uh a gentleman who's
written a book and just recently had an
interview on on another significant
podcast with Jesse Michaels and he
describes uh being around these tall
white beings and his description uh you
know is
uncannily
uh similar to to what you have uh shown
me here in your description of the uh of
the weavers. uh his his description is
very very similar. So it makes me
you know I'm looking for commonality
looking for patterns I guess uh just
kind of thinking that that's this might
be something to do with that uh about
the being Asop uh or Esop u what were
your impressions of that that entity?
So, Asop was
um he wasn't made out of skin and bones.
He was made completely out of light. Um
and he could he could fold himself like
origami. So, to me, he looked like an
upside down treble cleft. Uh and to
somebody else, he might have looked like
something entirely different. And he
looked like he was about eight or nine
feet tall, too. But I'm pretty sure he
could enlarge or compress
himself into just about any size.
My goodness.
Um,
did you what was going through your
mind? Did you feel like there was a
spiritual component to this or was this
all very real to you?
I the interrogation
had a visceral effect on me and I wasn't
feeling I wasn't sick but I I was
overextended.
Um so yeah I couldn't feel anything
spiritual at the moment.
Um but I was connected to him
telepathically too but instead of mind
to mind it was imagination to
imagination.
And what I what I figured out later was
that those weavers were connected to the
contextual field that I saw, metamorphic
field, an Asop is connected to that
conceptual field.
Yes.
So they were part and parcel of both of
those. That's why I think that's what
started the whole thing off.
So the the weavers are more connected to
uh the the have been the collective
mind, the sum total of everything
essentially.
And then
yep,
this Esop being is more
connected to I guess a field of
possibilities,
imagination.
Yes. Land of myth and not.
Well, that's interesting. It it u
you know there are a lot of people who
are trying to make sense of the new
revelations that are coming out every
day. And u I guess we're all guilty of
trying to shoehorn what we hear from,
you know, experiencers such as yourself
into other, you know, patterns, trying
to make sense of some of this. Some
people would say, "Well, this sounds
like you had a very lucid dream." What
would you say to those people? Uh was
this a a dream?
There was actually there was actually
um a dozen people that reported that.
So, I could literally see Hill Air Force
Base from where we were. Stopped on the
freeway. Um the next morning
I got up. I was still staying at home. I
didn't have enough for an apartment yet.
Um I worked nights so my dad worked
mornings. So I got up. My dad had
already gone to work. Um and he worked
at Hill Air Force Base. Um and my mom
asked me why I was so late. home and I
told her that we had ran into a UFO.
And then later on that same day when my
dad came home from work at Hill Air
Force Base, he told her that they had
had over a dozen sightings out there up
to and including
um high ranking official from the base.
That's remarkable. I uh
Yeah.
And this was 1975
75 cent. Yes. About 50 years ago.
Incredible. Uh what you said about the
craft was uh in interior was remarkable.
Do you recall what the exterior was
like?
Yeah. So that was interesting too
because
when it was parked and it rose up, it
was a very large on-ramp, huge
meandering thing. Um So, it was at least
two or three football fields long. It
rose up. It had blue lights going around
the bottom of it. Um, pulsing
sequentially.
Um, and then all of a sudden I thought
maybe it's a helicopter. And as soon as
I thought that, I could see a helicopter
with red lights going around it. And it
was higher up.
So, it was as if my thoughts were
causing a juxtaposed reality.
That's interesting.
Um, and then when I let go of that, it
went back to being the spaceship again.
Classic disc shaped or how was that?
It was ovalshaped and it was
it closest I can come to say is like a
chameleon. It kind of absorbed the
colors around. It has a form of
camouflage.
Yeah, people talk about that today and
describe things like that as predator
type cloaking or whatever
something. Yeah,
that's very interesting. Do you think
that uh concept where you looked at the
beings and you could only see part of
them at a time was was also part of that
technology perhaps?
Maybe a personal cloaking sort of
technology.
Yes.
Yes. Or the other thing is that they
were they seemed ageless, pubescent.
There was their hormones were just
running a muck. The air the air was rat.
You could you could feel the sexual
energy in the room. So, every once in a
while, I wonder if the cloaking was for
their protection or if it was for mine.
Interesting concept.
So
yeah.
Did you feel like they were they were
sexually interested in you as a
No. No. That it's just
the way that they vibrated just the
energy that came out of them.
Amazing.
Yeah. It was normal for them. That's
probably their norm.
That's interesting. Um you know
like they're in a perpetual state of
arousal. I don't know. But it was it was
definitely
pronounced.
I was aware of
certainly an interesting concept there.
Um the other re more recent description
of tall whites would have them uh in
control of some sort of energetic field
that would even allow them to meld uh in
some of the descriptions that I've
heard. In other words, a group of them
could become one thing. you know, it
might resemble something else entirely,
but that energy could could I don't know
if that uh any of that concept is
applicable here.
So,
how were you received when you told your
parents that hey, you know, I
encountered a UFO?
How was that taken?
Oh,
my mom, I was on my way to work. She
didn't say much about it. And then I
didn't see my dad again for like a week
because we worked different shifts. In
fact, I think it was day after that that
my mom told me that my dad had said
that.
My goodness. Now, did anyone else in
your family experience any sort of
unusual events as uh
No.
Okay. No. And did you have any other
physical effects as a result of this?
Could you tell were you ill or or any
other sort of physical symptoms?
No, no.
So,
no. Some people have what they get
little implants or I don't know. I've
heard I've heard of that. There wasn't
anything.
So, you don't get a sense that they they
did anything like that?
No, there was no physical.
Nothing physical. To me, one of the most
remarkable concepts about this story is
that they were just able to extract what
they wanted from your mind or your
knowledge and
the the idea of reciprocity now has me
just, you know, completely interested in
that. Is it possible?
Um,
do do you feel like you took anything
away from that encounter that you didn't
have when you were there in terms of a
knowledge or a a seed of thought that
they might have planted?
Yes. For me, it's always been about that
conceptual field.
Um,
it's kind of like when I tell the story,
I'm telling you about the
extraterrestrials.
So, suppose I was looking for treasure
and I came across these two guards and
I'm telling you the story and all you
can see is the two guards because
they're so fascinating
and and the treasure behind that was
that conceptual film.
Um, and that's where all my carry out.
That's what they didn't want me to see.
That's what they Yeah.
So for me, it's always been
about those two fields.
The stories that we tell ourselves is
something that is a part of my everyday
life. And the extraterrestrials were
something I saw 50 years ago. They're
not part of my everyday life.
Um, and so to me it's more about
not just about the field but what you
could do with that.
Yeah, that's Have you So you haven't
seen the extraterrestrials in 50 years.
What about the fields? What about the
treasure? Are you able to access that?
I
am. I'm very aware of that and I and I
am still connected to Asop imagination
to imagination and he is my
news my understanding
of the that's how I can see the
conceptual field is through him and how
it works
and you describe him mostly as a being
of light not not physical
yes
tissue and bones
So has he ever
and he's part of that? He is part of
that conceptual field.
Has he ever physically manifested to you
again since the incident or does he
visit you?
Not physically. No.
No.
Well, I know that you have poured over
this incident time and time again. Even
wrote a stellar book describing this.
Uh, if you if you could go back to that
time, if you could intervene in that
rapid fire interrogation and ask these
beings a question, what would that be?
I don't think I would have a question
for them. I think that there was
something about I had the impression
that nothing was going on that I hadn't
agreed to.
whether consciously
or some kind of biological commitment
before I was born into this world.
Um there was an agreement that was
present.
Yes.
And I think that
figuring it out on my own
would probably
be better than them telling me how it
worked.
No one's ever That's a weird question.
Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm I'm kind of known
for those weird.
No, that's fine. I love it. I love it. I
love it. Makes me look at it from a
different angle.
Yeah, because I would be 100% 180
degrees the other way. I would have a
thousand questions. But
your eyes your eyes are not on the
unusual, it's on the treasure, the the
the field that you receiving there.
Do you have any sense of
you know some people would say and I'm
not if I subscribe to this or not, but I
think I do. Most of the time things
happen for a reason. Have you ever been
able to associate a reason for this? Why
you? Why then? Why even now you see the
fields? Why uh why did this occur?
Probably because I've always been in
interested in our origin stories, our
creation stories,
um the stories we tell ourselves. I
think that our tribal myths are killing
us. It's nation against nation, religion
against religion, left against right.
Um, and what it would look like if we
could have a global myth instead of all
of our little tribal myths and how that
would work.
Yeah, that's interesting. Maybe that is
uh a good reason. Um,
maybe that makes makes it all make
sense. perhaps uh I'm going to put up
this here. I'm going to share just
briefly uh your book and uh
I uh there you go. So, Catch Me If You
Can is the name of the book that
describes this incident and this is not
your only literary work. You have
written others as well.
I have Payback is a Glitch is uh it's
not in Galley yet. It's almost finished.
That's my second book.
Okay. Yeah.
And if people want to get a copy of this
and read your entire story and get into
much more detail than my feeble attempt
at at picking your brain has yielded
here, how would they get a copy of your
book?
Uh, you get it online at Barnes & Noble
um or Amazon. I think it's in Kendall,
too. If they happen to be out in the
Ogden, Utah area, they could maybe catch
you at a bookstore somewhere.
Once in a while, I show up for I'm
really kind of an introvert.
Back at Phenom Con, I hadn't done
anything like that for about three or
four years.
Yeah.
Yeah. Well, um I'll just share with you
I never done anything like that at
Phenomic Con, but um I'm on the heels of
retiring from a, you know, pretty robust
law enforcement career that I had over
30 years and teaching others how to
recover evidence and analyze it from
electronic devices. And uh this is my uh
was my first foray into investigating. I
decided I would pick and choose what I
wanted to investigate. Um, and this is
certainly one of the strange stories
that has caught my attention and uh I am
so thankful that you agreed to to let me
have the conversation with you about
your your fantastic experience.
Now I uh
have interviewed hundreds of people
under much different circumstances but I
would always ask this. Is there anything
that we didn't cover that you would like
to share or anything that you feel like
is important that I didn't ask about?
Um, I have I have a thought. So, you
hear a lot about missing time or
memories that are erased. I think one of
the reasons that I remember is because
they were interrupted. they didn't have
time to
um erase my memory or whatever it is
that they do. Um, and I have a I have a
theory about that. I think that I don't
think that memories could be erased. I
think once something happens, it becomes
part of the universal fabric.
Um, so I think what they do is they So
that abduction happened to me late at
night. Okay. And I do laundry late at
night. So they could have taken that and
filed it in my brain under washing
machine.
So if someone comes up to me and says,
"You ever seen a UFO?" I'd check the
file on my brain that says UFO and I'd
say no.
I wouldn't think about looking under a
washing machine.
And I think that there has to be a
modeicum of truth to it. Like taken that
and filed it under giraffe. The the
synapsis have got to connect.
Um and after seeing the contextual
field,
that theory makes a lot more sense to
me.
Yeah. So how could if it's possible if
there is any connection for you how
could humanity benefit from
your experience or hearing about your
experience what is what is there if
there is a greater purpose in this
encounter what would it be for us are we
to try to understand more about this
conceptual and uh field
where
it's all about where our stories come
from and who's animating them and us.
We're the ones that animate. We're the
ones that make up our stories. And once
we realize that, we can make up a better
story, a more compassionate story,
um, a more balanced story. Um, and since
you're working with the imagination,
um, it could be as simple as starting a
rumor.
That's my job. Start a rumor. Yeah, all
good authors might want to start a rumor
that we'd all explore in our mind for
sure.
Well, I um for those who want to follow
your work or continue to connect with
you, uh you have a a website there. They
can look up thought continuum. That's
thought continuum.com
I think. And uh they can find your
books. They can find more about you
there. and they can continue to follow
your journey uh as uh you go through
this what is now a most most interesting
life and try to make sense out of it.
Uh, I'd like to
I use so I use the term thought
continuum because ASP kept calling me
thought continuum. He didn't call me C.
Okay.
He kept referring to me as thought.
What do you think the significance?
You want me to tell you what happened?
Yeah, absolutely.
When when he absolutely So
the chair that I was seated on was on a
dis that turned. So
after the disconnection, the chair I was
sitting on started turning a quarter
turn counterclockwise
and the aliens in that part of the room
just disappeared.
And then I found myself looking at a
wall and it had a big screen on it.
Looked like a camera aperture.
It opened up an eight equal curvier l
you know like a camera aperture would.
Um, and I could see I he showed me
eclipses. So there was no conversation
going on with Asop and I because it was
imagination to imagination. So there's
there's no questions. All the questions
are in your mind. So it was it was
different.
So when I was looking at this, it seemed
like it I wasn't watching a movie of
something. It was like I was watching
something that was happening. So I saw I
saw eclipses, saw lunar eclipses. There
goes my thumb.
Um solar eclipses. I saw galaxies
eclipse. I saw entire universes eclipse.
Um and then I was back in my car. No
farewells, no goodbyes, no live long and
prosperous.
just back in the car. The car was
running. Taylor was reanimated
and the ship was gone.
Yeah.
Did
But the interesting thing because I have
my own questions even after 50 years I
have questions.
So when you look at the solar and lunar
eclipses there the shadow and light is a
dance of the sun.
So, if I'm watching entire universes
eclipse,
where does the light come from? What's
casting the shadows? Got the gooey
orange cheese in the middle and then the
white slice of bread that hadn't been
grilled yet. Um, and the interesting
thing was that the
the toasty side and the white side
um were interchangeable. They were like
reciprocal
almost crosspollinating
using the gooey cheese in the middle and
they were playing the universes.
I think it gets crazy. The uni the
universes were playing leapfrog with
each other going over from white to
light
so that the first becomes the last and
the last becomes the first forever more.
Well, you know, our scientists talk
about quantum theory, uh, string theory.
Um, what's the other one that's real
popular right now?
I wrote it down so I wouldn't forget it.
You've stumped at the guesser here.
How about that? I am I am familiar with
string theory and I am familiar with the
concept of quantum theory.
Hold on. Oh, holographic. Holographic's
the other one. Oh,
okay.
So, we seem to live in a world where
it's either or.
And and I'm wondering if it's and both
if we if we have a quantum field if the
gooey cheese is string theory
and the white bread is the hologram.
Yeah. Um, so I think we can really get
stuck in our eitheror thinking.
Yeah, that's very interesting.
But anyway, I have no idea why he showed
me the eclipses.
That's still kind of a mystery
to me.
In ancient times, eclipses had special
significance to, you know, people here
uh to civilizations here on Earth.
Not sure why they were so highly revered
other than they were unusual events. But
it is interesting in this context that
that's what this being of light chose to
share with you in the this imagination
field uh eclipses
s don't know what the significance of
those are.
That's interesting.
Well, I want you to
let me know that if you figure out the
significance of the eclipse or this
visit of ASOP or if um anything else
happens, uh you want to just discuss
further that you'll reach back out to us
here on Beyond the Map. I have enjoyed
our conversation immensely and um I
think our listeners will enjoy your
perspective. This is an unusual
abduction
experience that you shared with us to
say the least. Not that there is I guess
a usual one. It had some of the concepts
that we we hear of today uh in the more
uh prolific abduction experiences, but
it certainly had some very unique
characteristics too.
And again, I just want to thank you for
uh sharing this with the listeners
and
stories like you remind us that there's
still so much that we really don't
understand about our reality.
That's exactly why we are looking into
these strange stories that kind of go
this clearly goes beyond the map that we
know of today.
I'm excited for you in your new
endeavor.
Well, thank you, Kathleen. We're
excited, too. And uh enjoyed this very
much. Hope to see you again soon on
Beyond the Map.
Okay.
Thanks.
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